Posted Sep 14 2009, 06:46 PM by Martin Ffrench with 69 comment(s)

I'm back again this month for an update to the current range of builds I have going on at the moment, I hope you'll enjoy the read. Some of you may remember a post back in March about my time attack build. The car sat lonely in the corner with no paint, as unattractive as any car can look yet the reaction we got to it was something we had never seen before. The picture appeared everywhere; on time attack forums around the world people were debating the legality of it and how fast could it be. So here we are today and I think its time we answered some questions ...

Last week we sent the car away to get painted. We wanted to have the car together as a rolling shell for the Custom & Performance show here in Ireland on Sunday the 13th of September just gone. On Friday morning myself and Speedhunter photographer Paddy McGrath arrived at the HQ of Carbon Fusion in Co. Kerry to try get the car ready for the weekends show. The shot above depicts the car just after we arrived. It was still a bare shell with just the front subframe and one wheel attached. We had a lot of work to do ...

We're still waiting on the proper arms, wishbones and hubs for the car (the track of the car is quite a lot wider than a standard Altezza) so for this show we needed to get some custom one off spacers made up to ensure we got a respectable wheel fitment. Just for the show, we would run our infamous sky blue Work wheels but when the car is completed, we'll be using single stud Dymag magnesium lightweight wheels. 

We've removed the transmission tunnel so we can locate the seat in the centre of the car. The idea behind all this to keep as much weight as possible in the middle of the car and to keep the weight as low as possible (both as light as possible and as physically low in the car as possible) A lot of people were trying to say the car was space-framed and as such would be illegal to run in most Time Attack series'. The car is NOT space framed, it just has an extensive roll cage designed and developed by DJM Motorsport in the UK. We still have to refit the front bulkhead, along with a new rear firewall behind the drivers seat, you'll see why in a moment.

At the moment, we're planning on mid-mounting the engine. The advantages are obvious but the choice of power plant will be just as important. We're currently leaning towards using a turbocharged 1300cc Suzuki Hayabusa motorbike engine. Our reasoning being that the engine is small, its very light and still capable of over 600 horsepower. The work involved in getting the engine into the car and running will be astronomical, but like I've said before if something is worth doing, its worth doing right. If anyone has experience with the Hayabusa engine, we'd love to hear from you in the comments !

I loved this sign in the Carbon Fusion workshop, guess it sums up life for a lot of us !

Progress was slowly being made throughout the day. With wheels and subframes fitted, it was time to start making it look like a car again. Incidentally, whilst the car was being painted, we had it weighed. As just a bare shell with the cage, it weighed just 80 kgs. This leads us nicely onto our next point ...

... a target weight of sub-600 kgs dry. Some of your are thinking that's slightly 'ambitious'  but when you look at it, its perfectly achievable. The bare shell with cage is 80 kgs and that is still with the steel sides and quarter panels which are to be removed and moulded in carbon fibre. All the glass has been replaced by our sponsor's Plastics 4 Performance Lexan Marguard lightweight windows. The wings, doors, bonnet, boot, roof, quarter panels will be all carbon fibre with the bumpers being made out of kevlar which lighter again than carbon fibre.

Suddenly it's all starting to look a lot more realistic.

Work continued late into the night, here is the front arch being compounded for a cleaner finish. One of those things I learned is how dangerous working with carbon fibre is. When it's sanded or drilled or cut it, releases carbon dust into the air, which when consumed can be fatal. Think about that the next time you drill your CF hood, always use a mask !

You'll have to disregard the comical amount of negative camber as the car has no suspension in this shot, its just a rolling demo car at the moment with big plans that we will need to achieve in small steps.

You have to love the weave ...

The join between the front wing and the top of the bonnet. The carbon will be visible on the final car, as in we won't be painting over it.

Finally its looking like a car again. Pity it needs to come apart in the future to get it to the stage we have been talking about throughout this post.

A final overview of the car before it was rolled onto the trailer. For the show we had an Origin GT wing on the back mounted to the boot. On the final build the rear spoiler will be mounted directly onto the rear chassis legs. 

The plans are big and it is going to take a long time to build, but were hoping to build a world famous car that we can bring anywhere and know we can win with. We want to break as many lap records as possible and then leave everyone playing catch up. For the next while though, its going on the long finger as we make the final push to finish the full kevlar drift / track / hillclimb SR22 Altezza which we're hoping to unveil at the NEC Autosport show in January. Like the carbon car, all the sides and bulkhead will be removed to be moulded in kevlar. It'll feature a 500hp SR22 with a Trust 6 speed dogbox. 

We would like to also invite your opinions on this project, what do you like / dislike, where can we improve, what would you do instead ? All feedback will be listened to so don't be afraid to post !

We hope to bring you another update next month on the progress of the kevlar car but who knows, but if someone approached us with the right deal, the carbon car could come together a whole lot faster ...

 

- Martin Ffrench

Big thanks to my sponsors again, especially Carbon Fusion, Speedhunters and Plastics 4 Performance !


Comments

Fr3shK1d said:

wow..that thing is amazing..reminds me of the HKS Altezza from way back..one of those cars that just burn a hole in your brain that you'll never forget..this car definetely deserves a spot in my memory bank..keep it coming!

September 14, 2009 7:32 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

HKS118 said:

That's ridiculous. In a good way.

September 14, 2009 7:45 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

ECR33 said:

the fenders especially in the front panels are overwhelming the front of the car, and it kinda looks like its pushed the face in with the size of the fenders. But I guess it serves the purpose for its wide stance? IDK, it looks short-faced...

September 14, 2009 8:07 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Mark said:

This car is amazing. In my opinion, the highlight of it are the wheels. I love the color on those Kai's

September 14, 2009 8:10 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

josh said:

WOW....when i saw this car in march i was amazed and looked all over for more pictures of it. this car is even cooler than i expected, the car looks so futreistic, and is so wide.

September 14, 2009 8:13 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

GTTpower said:

Theres a couple of guys here in NZ that run hayabusa engines in KP60 starlets, unsure if their midmounted though but I think one is. Have a look through youtube for 'hayabusa starlet'

Personally I think you should stay toyota and do a mid mounted 2ZZ-GTE.

Other than that a truly awesome car.

September 14, 2009 8:17 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Mick said:

DAM !!!!  great work !! all i would have done more would be using more kevlar, like the wheel that would just do a complete package ok carbon/kevlar would be so sick !! (allredy is...)keep us inform !!

September 14, 2009 8:38 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

damien said:

Maybe to late now, but shorten the wheel base would have been my choice.

Fantastic Build.. hope you get the right sponcership for all of this, cant wait to see it in action.

keep up the good work martin & crew.

September 14, 2009 8:53 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Olly said:

IMO The car needs a huge front spliter and side steps that extend the same amount as those huge guards.. I'd like to see 600hp outta a 1300cc engine too!  Good luck.

September 14, 2009 8:59 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

liamsil80 said:

holy SH*T!  I can't wait to see it when its done.  The 'busa engine is a great idea and mid mounting it is totally insane! This thing is going to dominate everyone.

September 14, 2009 9:15 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

liamsil80 said:

@Olly: 600hp is very attainable for the Hayabusa's.

September 14, 2009 9:19 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

*bj* said:

Firstly: AWESOME.

Ok now we've got that out of the way... i'm gonna make some suggestions. Whether they are conducive to going faster i really don't know. More of an aesthetic thing really. I agree with Olly about widening the skirts/whatever on the side of the car to join the arches, or maybe just extending that rear arch forward and adding a brake cooling vent or something. Kinda like on DTM cars. I can't see what the back looks like, is it finished yet?  Make the whole rear of the car wide, it's hard to see but  it looks like that rear quarter panel is standard. Pump it out dude! Just to make it look a bit more planted. You guys are chucking a difuser on it yeah?

Also, you should have gone for a heaps raked & louvered rear window, like what's on the Lamborghini Reventon. I reckon get rid of the rear side windows and put some fat ass ducts there to cool the engine.

It's a bit hard to explain, but damn it looks good in my mind.

Keep up the good work.

September 14, 2009 9:36 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

repentharlequin said:

absolutely amazing, trying to figure out what to with my fucas touching my frame, i guess i need to get fenders like that! beautiful work!

September 14, 2009 9:41 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

repentharlequin said:

absolutely amazing, trying to figure out what to with my fucas touching my frame, i guess i need to get fenders like that! beautiful work!

September 14, 2009 9:41 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

EJ25 said:

The car builder Radical  Extreme Sports Cars car, the SR8LM uses the 2.8 liter Powertec V8 engine which is basicly two Hayabusa motors grafted together by the crankcase that revs to 10,000 rpms and matched to a paddle shifted 6-speed transaxle. Get that motor and twin turbo it. It would be the most awsome motor ever built.

September 14, 2009 9:47 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

NickS14 said:

What about a twin turbo Hartley H1V8 (The twin Hayabusa motor derived V8), 800hp easy, 1000hp possible

That would go nuts!

Looks amazing tho, cant wait to see the final product!

September 14, 2009 9:50 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Brian said:

To get 600hp from a turbocharged Hayabusa is massive isnt it?

You would have to re-engineer almost every aspect of the engine.......

Are you restricted to the grade of fuel used in time attach events?

Massive props to giving something like this ago so the rest of the world can stand in awe.

September 14, 2009 9:53 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

repentharlequin said:

oh... hi res of the last one?

September 14, 2009 9:57 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

ed said:

sorry buy dymags are overrated. and will literally explode when hitting anything hard

September 14, 2009 10:14 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Chris Hoare said:

Really an interesting project - cool to see some updates. I can see driving this in a future release of GT. :D Don't skimp out on documenting the build when it comes time to do the Busa motor - that will be a sight to see/read about. Keep it up! *Much frothing of mouth ensues*

September 14, 2009 10:22 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

middieman147 said:

im with nicks14, hartley engine would be killer. to keep more along the lines of what you were thinking though, what about the H2 engine?

http://www.h1v8.com/H2.html

September 14, 2009 10:40 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

beto said:

Well I I just love a Lexus is300....would be great to see one possibly compete against TANIGUCHIS's HKS EVO

But yea,something about the rear door/arch are;someone did they the DTM style thing would be great for some air ducts......OIL/diff/tranny oil coolers?brakes too?

But keep up the great work guys

P.S.love them wheels!

September 14, 2009 10:51 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

potato said:

Is this a BEAMS Altezza or an IS 2/300?

September 14, 2009 11:26 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Matt said:

If it is the BEAMS Altezza (na 210hp) it would be nice to see the engine heavily modified :D instead of the motorbike engine

September 14, 2009 11:32 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

XCELMotorsprots said:

I like the motivation. Where can i go to keep up on the build?

September 15, 2009 12:22 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

BlueSlug said:

Hoooooooooleeeeey

wow.

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I think it's a minor shame that you're painting over that bad-ass bare carbon (personally i'd put sponsor decals in a dark colour and call it a day), but it looks amazing!

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hard to think that the rolling shell weighs just a little more than myself, and less than all but the lightest motorcycles!

September 15, 2009 12:44 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Warren said:

80kg bare, wtf!!!

Also build is looking awesome, and the engine choice is definitely something I wouldn't expect!!

September 15, 2009 1:48 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Alex said:

@BlueSlug:

I think Martin mentioned that they're not gonna paint the carbon fiber, they're gonna leave it visible....

Anyway, I like everything you guys have done so far. I also like the 600Kg goal....the lighter the better they say....lol

I personally wouldn't put an Hayabusa engine for few reason:

Yes, it is very light and compact (being a motorcycle engine).

Yes it is capable of ridicolous amount of power, but....to extract 600 hp from the Hayabusa, the engine has to be HEAVILY modified......that would cause the engine itself not to be as reliable as a stock one; far from it......

I know the car is gonna be strictly a race car, and as every race car, engines get rebuilt regularly....but aside from the constant rebuilt of the internals (assuming nothing else breaks or fail).....I personally think that having a more reliable engine is very important; unless your budget (sponsors) don't have problem with that.

With that said, let say you're gonna make 600 hp out of the Hayabusa, and the car final's weight be at 600 Kg.....that's 1 hp per Kg...which is in the F1 territory.

I would personally stick to what it proven....like a classis 3S-GT turbo or even a SR20DET, both a lot heavier and bulkier than the 'Hayabusa but capable to make the same amount of power you guys are after.....and be a more durable/ reliable engines at the end.

As far as the Dymag, like other people said before.......NAH.....they're show wheels. Mag and carbon are excellent material on their own.....when combined together.....not so much.

I would stick with some forged one piece monoblock wheel, such as the Volk CE28N.

As for more info on the Hayabusa engine, there is a guy in SoCal that made a dry carbon fiber Honda Z600 (replica of the original shell)....and he's running also a Hayabusa engine, although his setup is N/A.....you might want to look into that.

Good luck with your project and keep us updated.

September 15, 2009 2:22 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Martin ffrench said:

I am really excited to see the response that this car is getting. Please keep all your input flowing no matter how big or small we would like to here what you think. As for wheels they are dynamag rims and will be powder coated the same colour as the ones in the picture. And as for the skirts kit etc, the car is going to be 3d scanned and we will be rapid prototyping a scaled wax model for use in a wind tunnel. Prior to this we will also be carrying out preliminary computational fluid dynamic analysis on computer software.

Thank you. Martin Ffrench.

September 15, 2009 3:00 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

MonK3y said:

Wow...insane...good luck with the build.

Speedhunters needs to HD720P this thing when it's out!

September 15, 2009 4:03 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Touge Heroes said:

We love you Ffrenchy!

September 15, 2009 4:03 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

KIBS said:

Not to burst your bubble man, cause the aero's already complete, but I think it needs some tweaking to produce less drag and more downforce. A 600 kg car with weak downforce will be hard to handle. Also, I see that the car has a huge frontal area, and I think the wind will not flow well with its boxy shape out front. Other than that, the car is mighty awesome, What makes it a whole lot cooler is your ideas and plans to do with it. A whole lot of people can only dream about building a car like this, and you're in the process of creating it. I wish you the best of luck man!

September 15, 2009 5:40 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Ryu said:

What about a hayabusa V8? As in 2 engines together, some really good ones out there pushing 450-500HP and 10,500RPM. lol

September 15, 2009 5:53 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

bonaparte said:

agree with that v8 busa engine, get that engine and put a turbo on it.

September 15, 2009 6:27 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

balang_479 said:

Could be the best Time Attack car in Europe... when its done it should go to Tsukuba to take the RWD record. Sick!

September 15, 2009 6:42 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Paul Reece said:

Absolutely Manic Mate! The entire concept is fantastically wonderful. Why not the hayabusa V8 as previously mentioned? There's at least 400 on tap and of course @ some where near 10K rpm the visceral feeling from that must be insanely amazing especially at your 600KG target weight.

I agree with some of the earlier comments relating to a more dependable engine liek a SR but I'd hate to see a 3SGTE in there. Its outrageously heavy especially given the entire concept and objective of the car.

Regardless, Congrats on being able to realize a dream and continued encouragement and persistence in finishing something destined to be special...

September 15, 2009 6:47 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Roger Bent said:

Looks nice, but for a TA car won't you need more downforce?............The engine choice is interesting, 600 reliable hp from a Busa engine is ambitious lol..............should be interesting, hey y not a Bridge  or periport Rotary, still lightweight and might be more reliable especially if its a event specific car, love the seating position..........McLaren F1 huh..........:).........

September 15, 2009 7:38 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Schneider said:

Best of luck on this massive project, who is molding your carbon/kevlar bits (you, yourself??).  Very cool project especially if the hayabusa went in, that would make for such a light body!!

Good luck and look forward to seeing more shots as always!!

September 15, 2009 7:39 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Schneider said:

How much would something like this cost to replicate?

September 15, 2009 7:39 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

AE71- 4AGZE said:

UGHHH!! IN THE WORDS OF THE GREAT DAVID HASSELHOFF, "UBER FANTASTIC"

I WOULD CUT OFF MY RIGHT PINKY FOR THIS RIDE

September 15, 2009 7:54 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Sr-FairladyZ said:

I donno, 500hp SR22 sounds pretty well suited. A Turbo all aluminum engine fits right in with their power/weight blueprints. I can't say I would change anything here. 3SGTE would be cool I suppose but there go's the weight and huge aftermarket parts support. Can't wait to see more of this car.

September 15, 2009 8:01 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Kid Karola said:

Awesome to see this time attack monster taking shape! After a long silence it's obvious you guys haven't just been sitting around twiddling your thumbs :P

September 15, 2009 8:06 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Randall said:

This car is simply breathtaking! The use of a hayabusa engine is ingenius considering the fact that here in the States there are many motorcycle drag racers using them pushing well over 700rwhp. The only thing only them back is the lack of traction. I suggest www.psychobike.com their forums have many of the top motorcycle drag racers using turbocharged powerplants and I feel they would be a great resource to you and your build if you are pursuing using the hayabusa powerplant seriously.

September 15, 2009 8:26 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

efcivicman said:

+1 for the last image for a wallpaper. awesome car martin. is the 13b rotary altezza project scrapped? and i also think a powertec v8(two hayabusa engines together) will be a neat idea and can get 600-700hp easy with turbos. a mini with one mid mounted dominated the mini race at the silverstone classic. good luck with project and keep us posted.

September 15, 2009 9:16 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

H. Young said:

80kg?  Are you sure?  That's exactly my body weight!  Even just the steel subframe, steel side, and quarter panels weigh 50+kg.  Are you saying the wheels and cage weigh only 30kg?  NO WAY!  Even a gokart weigh more than that!  If it's true, that's incredible!  

September 15, 2009 9:37 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Irish25256 said:

no bike engine plz lol

September 15, 2009 10:22 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Alfonzo said:

What kind of torque can you generate from that Hayabusa motor?  Those HP numbers are ridiculous!  Good on ya for using that year Altezza.  It brings back good memories of my late supercharged IS300.  Can't wait to see the finished project!

September 15, 2009 10:23 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

wow! said:

going to what KIBS said, this thing will need some serious aero if it is going to be that light.  i am sure you guys have thought about front splitter, canards, rear diffuser etc.  the reminds me of the BMW GT2 car in ALMS right now, real wide and almost flat in the front.  have you thought about a floor pan to seal off the bottom of the car?

i know it is a trend right now and the hayabusa engine sounds like an awesome idea but if you change your mind a naturally aspirated V8 weighs less than a turbo SR if done right.  reliable too with the kind of HP you are looking for.

seriously beautiful car.

September 15, 2009 10:46 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Carbon Fusion said:

Just to add ... As Martin said the aerodynamics of the car will be refined following both computer simulated analysis and subsquent wind tunnel testing. Hence any body work will be altered accoringly to accomodate the optimised shape. Downforce will be crucial to handling and we're looking at the possibility of adaptive aero surfaces to enhance performance characteristics.  

September 15, 2009 10:56 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Joe said:

some incredible work being done to this car , be great to see it out on track powered by a v8 hayabusa engine !

September 15, 2009 1:27 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Alex said:

Like it has been said before: I am a bit skeptical on the 80Kg weight for the cage and the chassis......

Anyway, "Carbon Fusion" mentioned that you guys are gonna do simulated analysis and change things around when testing the car in the wind tunnel; am I right? What kind of Cx are you guys aiming at? To keep the car planted to the ground you  should be in the low-mid 0.20Cx.

How about if you find that the panels you made are not very aerodynamic? In other words, having a 600Kg race car with 600 hp is NOT an easy feat (aerodynamically-wise).....it seems that some people on here think that hp will cure everything......(remember the Mercedes CLR at LeMans 10 years ago?).

I would hate to see you guys scrape the body panel off just to make the silhouette of the car slimmer (to better cut thru the wind). I know first hand that working with carbon fiber is not fun, and mostly, it is not cheap.....errors cost a lot of money.

This project reminds me a lot the 2000 HKS Toyota Altezza (which BTW sported a 3S-GT)....if that is something you already considered/ scraped...a ...4 Rotor Wankel could be a viable answer.

Anyway, good luck!

September 15, 2009 2:07 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

kstyle said:

they have 700hp busas... DO THE BUSA ENGINE! that would be awesome!

September 15, 2009 2:40 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Chris Davy said:

Martin, your comment sounded so rocket-scientist like :)), cool! Well, I think that the V8 Busa would be the best choice for a motorcyle engine. About reliability, well, u guys try out the V8 Busa first and if it doesn't pay off I think the best choice would be a rotary, still small, lightweight. About the aero, u got a lot of work, cause that body doesn't look like a serious racer! The front arches are sooo not aerodynamic. Anyway, I know you'll fix that in the wind tunnel.

Here's a thought, besides those side DTM style vents, how about a steel/carbon underside pannel like the ALMS M3 has? Better underside airflow and weight ballast;) About the wheels, magnesium wheels would be one choice and the other... I know that there are some carbon-fiber rims out there on the market, can't any of them be used or can't u create a design for carbon-fiber ones? Or carbon-kevlar? Even though it might sound stuppid, it's just a thought.

Congrats and good luck with the project and PLEASE, KEEP US POSTED! Thanks

September 15, 2009 2:55 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Jazzy said:

A widebody IS. Nobody would have thought of that. Looks amazing with those candy painted wheels. Good Work!

September 15, 2009 4:07 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Carbon Fusion said:

We would be expecting a drag coefficient in the region of 0.7Cd. The high downforce required induces high form drag. A typical F1 car ranges between 0.7 to 1.0 Cd depending on the specific configuration of the circuit. Interfierance drag will be minimised with smooth transitions between the panels, merging into each other. We will be carrying out the bulk of the opimisation work through simulation and we will be using the wind tunnel initially for verifing the simulation is configured realisticly. Final testing of the overall design including movable control surfaces will be done in the tunnel. Sorry if I was picked up wrong, we will be manufacturing any new sections completely and not altering the original parts as you see them now. A very good database on aerodynamic data for mainly Le Mans racers can be got at the following ... www.mulsannescorner.com/data.html

September 15, 2009 4:16 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

eric said:

shoot me an emial, i'd love to help you out with the engine/manifold/turbo for this build. Great work can't wait to see how she turns out.

eric@full-race.com

602-437-2101

September 15, 2009 5:00 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Alex said:

Thanks for the insight Carbon Fusion. Definitely difficult #'s to achive considering this is not a open wheel race car.

Once again, good luck!

September 15, 2009 5:31 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Alex Tseng said:

zx14 engine > hayabusa engine

just another engine option to consider with 100cc more displacement.

September 15, 2009 10:21 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

dog_day_sunrise said:

How about a Judd engine? KV675's can be obtained straight from Judd, and also occasionally crop up on racecarsdirect too. 3.4l 90deg V8, 550-odd BHP with restrictors, 300lb ft, built for endurance racing and only 118kg.

September 16, 2009 1:47 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Mark said:

I think a good option for the engine would be Powertec's V8 that's based on two hyabusa heads/blocks.  2.8 litres and 450bhp naturally aspirated.  Adding supercharger/turbo to the equation would no doubt give a more responsive engine that was easier to drive than a manically high boosted 4 cylinder.  Currently found in the Radical race car that holds the all time record at the Nurburgring for a production car.

Aerial are going to be using the same style of engine in their new Atom.  I believe it weighs in at 90kg's which is about the same as a 4 cylinder car engine.  I can't imagine finding a lighter engine capable of so much power for sensible money.

Supercharging would give linear torque and would easily achieve 600bhp+ from 2.8 litres I'd have thought.

September 16, 2009 3:54 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Martin ffrench said:

NIce to see all of your replies and comments. Every comment is taken onboard no matter how big or small, consructive criticism is always good and i think from my point of view and maybe ye will think im wrong. I think i could sacrifice some reliability for weight. Currently we are exploring rules and regs from all over the world so as to try make the car as universal as possible. We want a car that we can bring to all corners of the world and that will leave a lasting impression.

As for the 3sgte or sr20 i completely agree with both of these options as i have used an sr2.1 in my kevlar drift car. But for this project to work lack of weight is a must, every kg counts.

The rotary altezza is still in the workshop and will be done eventually but rite now we are concentrating on finishing the kevlar sr2.1 drift/hillclimb car.

Where would you the public like to see this compete time attack, pikes peak, race series, computer game, let us know and you would never know it might come to a race circuit or hillclimb or console  near you soon.

Thank you for your comments and support.

Martin Ffrench

Wexicanmotorsport.

September 16, 2009 4:15 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Paterson Bros said:

I think it would look amazing on the new Need For Speed Shift, Martin.  The graphics on Shift look brilliant.

September 16, 2009 9:04 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

BoostGear.com said:

A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!!!  

September 16, 2009 10:40 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

etikoner said:

I think the V8 Busa engine would be sick, but have you thought about torque numbers?

I honestly havent looked into it, but small displacement motors normally make torque in the upper part of the rev range, so wouldn't that make it less drivable?

Also, id go for some CE28N's for rims, but thats just personal style for me.

I'm genuinely estatic about the level of preperation that this car is getting,

keep it up :D

September 16, 2009 12:29 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Alex said:

Martin, I'm glad we think alike....although I have to say: have you thought about a strict diet and a regular workout program for yourself. Loosing weight (fat) if necessary. Increase your cardio efficency, strenght, stamina....and so forth.

A car that weights 600Kg and has 600hp requires a huge amount of physical work. It is VERY demanding...it's not a walk in the park.

If you plan your project right, and have let say inboard  pushrod suspension design with all the other goodies, your project could reach very high #'s in the skidpad....high g-force require a lot of physical work.

A lot of pro-race drivers have a very strict diet and a high regiment workout load to keep up with the car's potential.

Just a suggestion.

September 16, 2009 4:09 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

ME said:

How about the scrub ratio with these spacers?

September 17, 2009 3:29 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

mark rogers said:

This is pretty sick man, live in the uk and ive only just started getting into this drifting and stuff. i drive a classic mini, In the mini world they do loads of busa conversions... Chat to a company called ZCARS they are awesome! maybe able to help mid engine busa business!

September 17, 2009 11:06 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

lester said:

The busa engine is cool and all but...     how about a boxter engine?  Very very low center of gravity (just what you need), and we all know how good the Subaru EJ engine is (powerband/reliability compared to the busa engine).   And if you want to go a little bit crazier, the 3.6 Flat 6 twin turbo would be a good option...    It'll be like a porsche but MR!    Good luck man!

September 21, 2009 6:36 AM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters

Carl said:

You should get one of these synergy engines & turbo it

http://www.synergypower.co.nz/

September 21, 2009 3:19 PM [flag as inappropriate] Speedhunters